JonTron isn’t a racist…he’s just ignorant
EVAN: The last week was an…eventful one if you follow YouTube and online news a lot like I do. Even more so if you’re a guy like me who watches a lot of gaming and review channels. One guy in particular, JonTon, caused a controversy over the last week when he voiced some…shall we say, questionable opinions on immigration and race in a series of tweets, followed by a debate with Twitch streamer Destiny.
(Overlay of various clips from JonTron reviews over the next segment)
EVAN: Before I go any further, I want to state that I’ve been a fan of JonTron for years, I think he’s a very funny and very talented guy, and he’s also a New Yorker so that’s pretty cool too (OVERLAY: Picture of New York City with text, “My family is from New York”). His style of humor is very goofy, edgy, and off-the-walls, it’s right up my alley.
(Pictures of questionable tweets from JonTron overlay the next segment)
EVAN: But over the last few months, in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s upset victory as President of the United States, a lot of celebrities, both in Hollywood and on YouTube, have been speaking out more on political issues and taking to Twitter to do so. This country is more polarized than ever, and people on both sides of the argument want nothing more than to see the other side as, “the enemy.” As it would stand, Jon takes the side of Donald Trump and the Right in many political issues.
EVAN: Now, this is not inherently bad. I don’t consider him, “the enemy,” for agreeing with Donald Trump, even if it boggles my mind how anyone could support him. What is concerning, however, is that of some JonTron’s beliefs seem to be informed by…less than accurate information.
(Overlays of relevant topics in next segment)
EVAN: I’m not entirely sure, but I believe a lot of his knowledge of certain topics comes from untrustworthy sources. He’s done an interview with Breitbart, a hard-right tabloid blog with an extremely loose relationship with the truth and hard-on for race-baiting clickbait headlines. I wouldn’t be surprised if he reads Breitbart as well, since he also seems to be a fan of InfoWars, or at least Paul Joseph Watson. (Overlay: “He’s retweeted Paul a few times”). Yeah, InfoWars is the brainchild of Alex Jones and is Ground Zero for online conspiracy theories.
(Picture of Sargon of Akkad)
EVAN: He’s also a fan of Sargon of Akkad, a YouTuber with a MASSIVE hate-on for feminism who is of the belief that Donald Trump is the Savior of Western Civilization™. And he’s appeared on Sargon’s LiveStream a few times.
(Next clips taken from Armoured Skeptic’s video response to Jon and Destiny’s debate)
JONTRON: I will say a couple things, I’ve been watching you for many years now. In fact I think yours was one of the first channels I saw that was kind of against the, uh, SJW stuff, and—
SARGON: Hang on, is that admission you’ve been a shitlord for years?
JONTRON: Yeah, uh, I’ve been on your guys side for like four years, I just don’t say it because…it’s not, politically—well, I just don’t care anymore, I’ve reached my don’t care apex, so whatever, so be it, I don’t care—I noticed you guys were a growing movement and I was like, “these guys are going to be the future, hopefully!”
(End of clips)
EVAN: Well, this makes it easier to understand where Jon’s worldview is coming from. It also shines a light on some of his more…questionable statements from the Destiny debate livestream.
(Picture of Sargon’s channel over next segment)
EVAN: I’m not going to talk too much about Sargon, here. I’ll just note that Sargon’s “debunking” of social justice ideology isn’t so much debunking as it is setting an entire acre of straw men on fire. (Photoshopped picture of burning scarecrows appears here) But he’s worried about social justice ideology enough that he once petitioned universities to suspend the teachings of all social justice courses. He um, he got some facts wrong.
(Clips from H.Bomberguy’s “Measured Response” to Sargon’s Petition)
H.BOMBERGUY: Well, maybe it’s time to ask the academics to do it for you! Sorry, not academics—(snickers)—universities—(laughs)—what, like as a concept? “Dear Universities, please top the bad people for me, you know they’re bad because I paid someone else to draw propaganda—sorry, a realistic and rational cartoon of a woman telling institutions to stop the bad people for her.”
(Overlay: Fun fact, this cartoon was drawn by conspiracy theorist Ben Garrison, who thinks a Cabal of Marxist Globalists are conspiring with Zionists and Islamists to destroy American sovereignty and the entire capitalist economic system. Clearly a reliable and rational source for Sargon to site as evidence!)
H.BOMBERGUY: “Read the letter.” Ooh, don’t mind if I do! (he opens the letter to find that it simply says, “Suspend Social Justice Courses.” Seriously, that’s literally all it says.) He couldn’t even be bothered—(trying not to laugh)—there’s not even a list of courses to be dropped, he’s literally just asking—(breaks down laughing)
H.BOMBERGUY: Now I know what you’re thinking—because I can read your mind—isn’t petulantly demanding institutions stop teaching things you don’t like literally the sort of thing probably Sargon and his fellow probably free-thinkers like to pretend they’re against, as evidenced by this very image? Actually, you’re wrong! The only way to be anti-censorship is to censor the people I say are pro-censorship! And you can believe me, because I have the support of the people. Oh, no sorry, these are the fucking EDL, the actual fucking EDL (Overlay: EDL is the English Defense League, a white nationalist organization based in Britain), sorry, I don’t know how this footage got in the edit, how do I stop this—(static)
H.BOMBERGUY: They’re indoctrinating your children! They’re coming to take your children! If I write as provocatively as possible it becomes a problem worth dealing with, right?
(Clip of Donald Trump saying, “Wrong!”)
H.BOMBERGUY: But why does Carl feel so sure he knows what the problem is anyway? There’s this thing in psychology called, “The Dunning-Kruger Effect.” It refers to a study that measured people’s perceived skills and abilities versus their actual skills and abilities. To paraphrase Tao-Te-Ching, “those who think they know, never learn.”
H.BOMBERGUY: Carl talks about how upset he is that some girl with dyed hair said the wrong thing on YouTube!
SARGON: Feminism is Orwell’s nightmare come to life! With a bright smile, rainbow hair, and a jingle in the background, by people who are so pathologically entitled they campaign against other people’s human rights!
SARGON: I could probably have handled the debate a bit better as well, but I was a bit nervous. It’s the first time I’ve ever done anything like this. And I think I might have over prepared!
H.BOMBERGUY: Yeah, that’s the problem there. It hasn’t nothing to do with this!
(Quote of Sargon: I don’t know, I don’t care.)
H.BOMBERGUY: Carl Benjamin, the guy who can’t watch more than five minutes of a video, can’t watch more than five minutes of the video making fun of that fact, can’t read more than the first page of a study, and most likely hasn’t read a sliver of the books he’s trying to get dropped from being taught in academia, has given it a thought. And he feels like he does too much research! Carl doesn’t know, he doesn’t care, and he wants to know and care less!
(End of the clips)
EVAN: Hopefully that summed up everything you need to know about Sargon, he’s not a reliable source when talking about social justice. But he’s one of Jon’s sources, and I believe he is one of many reasons why JonTron is so misinformed about social justice.
EVAN: Let me start out by saying that, despite some of his very out-there statements, I don’t believe that Jon is a racist. I think that true racism, true bigotry, requires a certain level of malice behind it. And I’m seeing malice behind Jon’s statements, just a lot of…complete…and total…ignorance!
(Overlay of JonTron’s response video to the controversy)
EVAN: My reasons for thinking that come from the things he said in his response video to the controversy, where he highlights a bunch of inflammatory news titles about the discussion of race in this country.
JONTRON: The simple point I was trying to make is that it’s hypocritical, for those who see everything in terms of race, to suddenly turn around and object, when white people speak up in what they believe are the best interests of their race. And it’s also hypocritical to say that you want to have an honest conversation about race when you don’t actually want to have an honest conversation about race and every time someone brings up an uncomfortable statistic, you freak out! And I mean, you can see this in all the countless media articles that get pumped out every day from the highest level saying, for instance, “you can’t be racist against white people,” or “it’s a good thing whites are going to become a minority.”
EVAN: This right here is what really let me know that, when you get to the core of things, Jon fundamentality misunderstands what the current discussion on race and social justice is all about. Jon is correct to label the statement, “you can’t be racist against white people,” as false, of course. Racism against whites definitely does exist, but this kind of racism is personal prejudice.
EVAN: In social justice circles, at least at the professional and academic level, when racism is discussed, it is structural in nature. It’s related to the concept of white privilege, a very hot-topic and highly misunderstood term. White privilege does not mean that white people have it all hunky-dory and will never suffer hardship or bigotry. What it means is that white people as a whole enjoy greater opportunities, greater standards of living, and experience less barriers to success than do non-whites. The biggest example of white privilege I can think of involves the justice system, and the fact that black people are given sentences that are nearly 20 percent longer than those imposed on white people convicted of similar crimes, according to the US Sentencing Committee’s report on Federal Sentencing, cited by this ACLU report on screen. (ACLU report overlay) This is especially notable with drug crimes. Studies show that drug use among blacks is only slightly higher than that of whites (10.5% versus 9.5%, source: 2013 National Survey on Drug Use and Health). But blacks are arrested at over twice the rate as whites are for drug law violations when you factor in population size (they make up 12% of the US population but account for nearly a third of drug arrests, source: FBI Report on Crime in the US 2013).
EVAN: This is just one example, there’s many others, but that’s a topic for another video. I want this video to be about discussion, debate, and refuting the various points that JonTron made, since he claims to want a civil discussion on this topic.
JONTRON: That being said, I genuinely hope that people keep debating keep talking to each other, and keep learning. Honest, civil discourse without witch hunts is the only way we’re getting out of this mess.
EVAN: And I agree with you completely on this part, Jon. But you kind of undercut your own point with what you said next.
JONTRON: I prefer to take a step back now, return to doing comedy, it’s what I do better anyway.
EVAN: Sorry, but I’m not sure I’m ready to forget about this whole thing. While I do believe the media and people may have overreacted to what you said, some of what you said was pretty extreme and troubling. And considering you lost over 10,000 subscribers over the whole ordeal (picture of Jon’s socialblade statistics) and had a lot of your fans in your subreddit turn on you (pictures of various memes and unflattering remarks made about Jon on said subreddit), I don’t think it’s time to move on quite yet.
EVAN: I don’t think you understand why people thought you were a white nationalist. It wasn’t because of your concerns about mass immigration—there’s plenty of valid reasons to be concerned about that—but because you voiced your concern in ways that were virtually indistinguishable from white nationalist sentiment. You brought up genetics a few times, you said some things about “demographic displacement,” you voiced some…frankly conspiratorial sentiments about ethnic enclaves and I think at one point you said something about the “global elites.” These aren’t the concerns of a well-informed individual; these are pretty extreme statements that I think are deserving of a fair but of scrutiny. Let’s start from the beginning.
(Title Card: “Steve King’s Comments”)
EVAN: This was all sparked by comments made by Republican Representative Steve King on Twitter. He tweeted out in support of far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders. (Picture of tweet) “Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can’t restore civilization with somebody else’s babies.”
EVAN: An obsession with demographics defines white nationalism, and it fuels their biggest conspiracy theory: White Genocide. White nationalists are terrified of the white race losing their demographic majority, either through low birth rates or immigration of non-whites. They view non-whites as a sinister “other.” King was tapping into white nationalist sentiment with that tweet.
EVAN: Where does JonTron come in? Well, he tweeted out in support of King, saying, “How scandalous, Steve King doesn’t want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!” (Picture of tweet)
EVAN: Woah, wait, wait, wait. “Invaded?” That’s a pretty extreme sentiment, don’t you think? It paints a picture of immigrants as this massive foreign army coming to destroy us. It’s not a statement that you can make without getting criticism, and he got a lot of it.
EVAN: Another YouTuber, Chris Ray Gun (picture of Chris Ray Gun), chimed in, calling Steve King’s comments, “stupid,” but questioning why multiculturalism is only championed in white-majority countries. He followed it up by saying, everyone’s fine with Asia/Africa/India being majority native, but it’s a problem in Europe and America for some reason. (picture of tweets) He’s wrong about India and Africa, those are both hugely multicultural countries—a whole multicultural continent in Africa’s case—but I won’t go into that too much, it’s off topic. Jon showed up with THIS tweet (picture of the tweet): “That’s exactly it, it’s only white nations that aren’t allowed to protect their culture.”
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EVAN: “Not allowed to protect our—“ what? Is our culture in need of protecting, is it under some dire threat? And is there even a universally agreed upon standard as to what the culture of “white nations,” is? No two nations are identical to the other, Jon. It’s difficult to define what “white culture” is.
(Overlay of Twitter thread in next segment)
EVAN: He got into an argument with a few people, claiming that his statements were about mass immigration, rather than race. Twitch streamer Destiny joined in, bringing up previous periods of mass immigration, such as the Irish and Italians.
(I proceed to read out the tweet thread up until Jon and Destiny agree to continue the debate in a live stream)
EVAN: They agreed to this stream, and this is the source of the main controversy. This is where Jon made some his questionable and extreme statements. Well, that, and this tweet: (tweet of Jon: “and that’s even going as far to say colonization wasn’t a net benefit for the third world (it was)”) …yeah.
(Overlay of parts of the stream over next segment)
EVAN: Before I get into this I want to say that I don’t agree completely with Destiny on everything, and he’s said some pretty ignorant shit too about YouTube animators (pictures of his tweets), but his comments from this particular stream are on point for the most part, so I don’t want to see any comments about how I’m just a fanboy of his, I literally had no idea who he was until this controversy broke out. I’m here to address the comments made in this stream and either prove them or debunk them with evidence.
DESTINY: The first thing that you said doesn’t really make sense, it was a European nation. Like in the late 1800s and early 1900s Italians and Irishmen were discriminated against massively coming to the United States. I think Irish people were called the “Inside-Out Negros.”
JONTRON: They’re still European though.
DESTINY: Well, we didn’t see it like that in the United States going back a hundred some fifty years, they’re European, that’s not how we saw it.
EVAN: There’s a fascinating—and depressing—history of racism faced by the Irish, both in America and in the UK. Scientific racism was huge in the Victorian Era, and one such scientist by the name of John Beddoe, wrote in his 1862 book Races of Britain, that all men of genius were orthognathous (which means they had less prominent jaw bones) while the Irish and Welsh were prognathous and the Celt was related to the Cro-Magnon man (the early modern homo sapiens), which, in turn, was linked to the “Africanoid.” Beddoe even had some called the “Index of Nigrescence” where the Celt was placed much lower than the Anglo-Saxon.
(During the above segment, all people, scientific statements, and the index are given requisite pictures that appear when mentioned, source is an essay by Anthony S. Wohl, Professor of History at Vassar College, entitled, “Racism and Anti-Irish Prejudice in Victorian England.”)
EVAN: Political cartoons, both here and in Britain, compared the Irish to apes a lot during this time period. (Examples of such cartoons are shown) I’ll go into this more a little later, for now let’s return to the debate.
JONTRON: I understand what you’re saying. While none of this would been a problem had the…I guess you could call them the extreme left…started bringing identity politics to the forefront because when you have a nation…a nation is supposed to be a people that are all bound by…at least culture, if not…genetics or whatever you want to say.
EVAN: Woah! Let’s just stop right here for a moment. Because this is only the first time Jon brings up genetics in this debate, yes he does it several times, and Destiny doesn’t really address it, he asks him what he means by “identity politics” and the “extreme Left.” But I the genetics thing is what really made me uncomfortable and I think that’s why people are worried he might be a racist or a white nationalist. Because a lot of racism that happened in the past was given scientific justification by bringing up genetics.
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EVAN: There was a German polygenist named Christoph Meiners who believed that each race had a separate origin. He split mankind into two divisions, which he labelled the “beautiful peoples,” and the “ugly peoples.” Meiners believed that the dark “ugly” people where distinct from the “beautiful” white people because they lacked virtue and were possessed of “terrible vice.” He claimed that the “Negro” was the unhealthiest race on Earth because of its poor diet, mode of living, and lack of morals. (source: Das Gupta, Tania (2007) Race and Racialization: Essential Readings. Pp. 25-26) Basically, this guy may well have founded white supremacy.
EVAN: There was an entire pseudoscientific movement in the form of eugenics in the early 20th century that aimed to “improve the genetic quality of the human population.” This wasn’t some fringe theory, it was an actual academic discipline at many Universities, and many eugenics programs received government grant funding. It was built on the theory of “genetic determinism,” in which human character was due to genes rather than living conditions or education levels. Eugenics were used to justify discrimination against other races because they had “inferior” genes, up to denying certain ethnic groups entry into America entirely.
EVAN: Obviously, I’m not accusing JonTron of believing in any of this. In fact, I don’t he think understands what genetics are. I don’t really understand them, either, it’s complicated, but I know enough about history to know that it’s never a good idea to bring up genetics when talking about what a nation is. Jon should have thought about his choice of words more carefully.
JONTRON: Okay, by the argument is that white people are what caused them to be in those places—that’s the implicit argument, not that they had any agency of their own.
DESTINY: Who do you think was responsible for Jim Crow laws?
JONTRON: Well, it was white people, of course, I’m not arguing for Jim Crow (laughs)
DESTINY: Well, if you go back 50-200 years, yeah, it was kind of white people that did it. Now I’m not saying that we need to lock up white people now or bring back reparations, but it seems that, and I’ve noticed this a lot because I watched your entire conversation with Sargon, is that—I know there are extremists on the left that want to play the blame game with that fucking white guilt bullshit, I’m not into that shit, I’m not that extreme. You know how people need to bow their head everywhere and be solemn and check their privilege all the time, I think that’s stupid. But it’s difficult to have a conversation about these topics when a lot of white people won’t even acknowledge that they exist.
EVAN: Destiny hits on an important topic here in that many white people want to think that society has moved passed racism and discrimination, but as I’ve shown earlier, this is not the case.
DESTINY: The argument that I’m getting into is that your environment shapes you a lot. If you have a family that dates back hundreds of years, if you’ve got parents that help you, these things have a major impact on your life. If you have grandparents that were directly affected by Jim Crow, you have parents that were born to people who were directly discriminated against by the state. We’re not that far removed from Jim Crow.
JONTRON: Yeah, well the United Kingdom didn’t have Jim Crow. France didn’t have Jim Crow. We still have riots—we still have Muslim riots over there. And Sweden didn’t have Jim Crow, and we still have riots in the streets of Stockholm. So, at what point do we—okay, so Jim Crow, one aspect of it here in America, but as far as the rest of the Western World, we don’t have these same precedents. And there’s disproportionate crime in those communities.
EVAN: I’m sorry, there was no Jim Crow in Europe, is that what you said? I mean, you’re right, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t discrimination against minorities in those countries. Cultural discrimination can have the same detrimental effects as legal discrimination. Racist caricatures of minorities in the media happened just as often in Europe as it did here in the old days.
JONTRON: I would argue that—I don’t want to get too raunchy with this, but—I think what I’m saying is…nobody would ask Japan if it was okay that, you know, Japan become a minority Japanese nation.
DESTINY: But we’re not Japan!
EVAN: If you want some context here, it won’t help. Destiny had talked about the detrimental effects of Jim Crow and said that it’s difficult for a discussion on race to happen when the Right is often accusing you to “turning people against each other.” Jon’s comment on Japan comes out of left field.
DESTINY: If you want to draw another parallel to another homogenous society, Japan is the worst go-to argument. It’s also a dying country of people, who because they refuse to let anyone in, are having horrible problems with their population, they’re having world record setting suicide rates, I don’t think Japan is the one to point to as your model homogenous society.
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EVAN: The situation in Japan is more complicated than most people think. The CIA World Factbook has Japan has ethnically being 98.5% Japanese, making it a pretty homogenous nation. (source: www.indexmundi.com/japan/ethnic_groups.html) However, Japan’s census counts citizenship rather than ethnicity, and domestic minorities and the few immigrants who manage to become nationalized citizens are simply counted as, “Japanese.” (source: “Census Blind to Japan’s True Diversity,” Japan Times. 2010, October 5) The naturalization process for immigrants is very strict. You must have lived in Japan for ten years, and you have to have renounced any citizen you had with another country—dual citizenship is not allowed. (source: www.economist.com/news/asia/21705375-getting-passport-not-easy-inspectors-knock) The applications can take 18 months to process, and in 2015, the government received just 12,442 applications and granted citizenship to 9,469 people. The tight restriction of immigration, coupled with a low birth rate (1.46 per woman in 2015, the fourth-lowest in the developed world), has caused Japan’s population to shrink in recent years, having declined by a million people since 2010. (source: “Japan’s Population declines in 2015 for the first time since 1920,” Japan Times.)
EVAN: There are also other factors regarding personal prejudice in Japanese society that I’m not educated enough to talk about. But, yeah, Japan is dealing with some complex problems, and it’s not really an ideal society.
JONTRON: I’m not talking about me, I’m talking about mass immigration, when they want to go and basically—I’m mean they’ve gone and said it on the DNC platform, that lady said, “white people need to shut up, and listen.” Is that the kind of discourse we’re looking at for the future of this country?”
EVAN: The lady in question was a DNC Candidate at last year’s forum in Washington DC, who had this to say.
DNC CANDIDATE: My job is to listen and be a voice. And my job is to shut other white people down when they want to interrupt. My job is to shut other white people down when they say, “oh no, I’m not prejudiced. I’m a Democrat. I’m accepting.”
EVAN: In this context, it’s a different message than what Jon seemed to get. She appears to be talking about a problem that white liberals have with acknowledging racism and prejudice amongst themselves, saying that they can’t be prejudiced because they’re liberals, but then interrupting and talking over the top of black people when they try to speak about the issues facing them. She probably could have worded things better than she did, “shut other white people down,” isn’t a very comforting statement, but in context, it was not the anti-white statement that Jon seems to think it is.
DESTINY: You’re talking about identity politics, dawg. Half the people who were tweeting at me in response to you were literally neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
JONTRON: Look man, it’s this guilt-by-association shit, why you don’t you denounce all the communists in your movement!
DESTINY: What’s…what does communism have to do with this?
JONTRON: Well, what do Nazis have to do with this?
DESTINY: Well, Nazis are—it’s a political and race ideology, communism is an economic ideology.
JONTRON: Oh, it’s just an economic thing…okay, Nazis were a movement in 1930s Germany, they have absolutely nothing to do with any of this, Americans are the ones who beat the Nazis, so why are we bringing Nazis into anything?
EVAN: Both of you guys got some things wrong here. It’s true that communism is an ideology rooting in economics—specifically regarding social class—but it’s also an authoritarian system requiring autocratic government and repression of human rights and civil liberties to in order to remain in power. Communist governments have killed tens of millions of people. And Nazis weren’t just a movement in 1930s Germany, it originated in Germany, but there were Nazi parties in most Western countries at the time. Greece, Denmark, the UK, the US, Norway, Sweden, France, Canada, all of them had a Nazi party at the time. And Nazis didn’t just go away after World War II, they went to in to hiding. They’re resurfaced as neo-Nazis at various times in the last seventy years. During the 1970s and 80s, you could find these people as part of the skinhead subculture, “white power punk” being a subgenre of punk music that these guys liked to listen to. Today, you’ll find these guys among the alt-right, particularly on image boards like 4chan, and they a have a notable presence in the trolling and hacking subcultures, and they enjoy using memes like Pepe the Frog and “Kek.” It’s the alt-right who were tweeting at Destiny when he was responding to JonTron. More importantly, the statements that Steve King made about demographics have made alt-right and white nationalist websites pretty excited. These people believe that white people are under attack, and they think that nationalism is the only way to stave off the nefarious “others,” who threaten them. This is why Steve King got so much criticism, and it’s why JonTron got a lot of heat as well.
JONTRON: And I don’t think that pure society is possible, like I don’t think that’s possible, but in terms of a demographic majority, I don’t know that a nation can exist without one. This truly multicultural—everyone is a different race or religion—I don’t really know if that’s sustainable in the long-term.
DESTINY: But, what’s wrong with there being all these different—
JONTORN: Well, have you seen the last four years my friend!? This is the thing with people like you, you gaslight! You pretend the last four to eight years didn’t fucking happen!”
DESTINY: Wait a minute, your side is the side that’s fucking gas lighting, you’re telling me that there are riots all over Europe and—
JONTRON: THERE ARE! THERE FUCKING ARE!
DESTINY: No, they’re not, do you think that Sweden is falling apart under mass immigration?
JONTRON: You ever heard of boiling the frog slowly? Doesn’t notice.
EVAN: Jon is correct about there being riots in Europe, but that’s more do to cultural clashes, poverty, and alienation, it’s not because of their race. Europe does have a more difficult time assimilating the mostly Muslim Middle-Eastern immigrants and refugees into their secular democracies than America does in assimilating the mostly Catholic Central-American immigrants into ours. Let me put it this way, America is mostly Christian despite having largely secular laws, our people are mostly Christian, and it’s reflected in the fact that almost all of our politician’s mention God when running for office. Despite cultural differences and ethnic differences, for the most part it isn’t too difficult for Central-American immigrants to assimilate into our culture because they are also largely Christian.
EVAN: The situation in Europe is..a lot different. Europe is a lot less religious than America, it’s much more secular, and they don’t have the “Golden Door” mythos that we have. Also, the immigrants coming into Europe are mostly Muslims, and while the majority of them probably aren’t terrorists and probably aren’t coming with intent on committing terrorism, there’s still a lot of problems. Many of them are poor, many of them can’t find jobs (because the European labor market is less flexible than the American one), and many of them become socially isolated as a consequence. Crime and poor living conditions are a problem among them, and this has occasionally broken out into rioting, as we’ve seen in Malmo a month ago.
EVAN: I don’t see what any of this has to do with a nation having a “demographic majority.” We’re having less problems with immigration and assimilation than Europe is, and we take in more immigrants than they do. Most European countries have a large white majority population than America does. And yet they have more problems than we do. So why does Jon seem to think demographics are an issue when culture, poverty, and social isolation seem to be much bigger issues?
DESTINY: 100 years—150 years ago, Italians and Irish wouldn’t even have been considered white people, let alone Americans.
JONTRON: I don’t know if that’s true. That’s just a myth, they were considred white. I don’t know where this thing that the Irish and Italians weren’t white, that’s ridiculous, the Irish are like the whitest people around, that’s just a fucking myth.
EVAN: Remember the article I talked about earlier, about the “scientist” named Jon Beddoe? There were definitely people who didn’t see the Irish as truly white. It’s no myth, if anything Destiny is downplaying the shit the Irish received. There were people that didn’t even see them as fully evolved humans!
DESTINY: These people were treated horribly, they were called “ reverse Negros.”
JONTRON: …maybe they were a bunch of dicks, huh?
DESTINY: …no, I don’t think so!
JONTRON: (mocking laugh)
JONTRON: (mocking laugh)
EVAN: Can I just say this? Like, this was not the right time for Jon to attempt a joke, it makes it look like he’s not taking the debate seriously at all, and he comes off as extremely arrogant and ignorant.
JONTRON: People not liking the Italians and people not liking the Irish doesn’t make them non-white, it just makes them not liked, perhaps they had some traits that were undesirable. I hear the Italian mafia made the rounds. But that would have been a good argument to restrict Italian immigration, then!
EVAN: Okay, I think Jon is trying to make a joke here, but it’s not helping his case considering some of the other thing’s he’s been saying, and what he’s going to say later on. Because, joke or no, this is literally how people 100 years ago justified laws against Italian immigration.
DESTINY: If you’re saying it has nothing to do with Mexicans, then why is it so important that whites remain the majority in the United States?
JONTRON: Look, I’m not actually making the argument that whites should remain the majority in the United States, I’m simply arguing that it’s clear, that whites are not allowed to speak out against their demographic…oblivion.
(Clip from Anchorman)
RON BURGHANDY: Well, that escalated quickly!
EVAN: Indeed. Like, wow, I think we need to talk about this, because I don’t think you can blame poor debating skills on a quote like this.
DESTINY: I’m sorry, did I miss the stories where all white people are getting killed by Mexicans and black people?
JONTRON: They’re not being killed, man. But they’re being displaced.
DESTINY: What do you mean by displaced!
JONTRON: You are the same person guy who says that the Europeans displaced the Native Americans, that’s your argument, “oh you’re not a Native-American, then you can never be a true American,” but apparently, when other people do it to white Americans, it’s okay, because fuck white people! It’s obvious what you’re saying!”
EVAN: Okay, I’m…I’m going to try and make sense of what Jon is saying here. The argument is that it’s hypocritical to get angry at white people for “speaking out against their demographic displacement” or whatever, because whites are being displaced by non-whites due to mass immigration, and mass immigration is apparently the same thing as European colonization and the forced removal of Native Americans from their ancestral homelands?
(Clip of Will Farrell saying, “It feels like I’m taking crazy pills”)
EVAN: Like, Jon…you have to realize how extreme this sounds, right? Like, it sounds like you’re repeating talking points you read on white nationalist websites. These are things that actual white nationalists have said! “Mass immigration is demographic displacement,” “you leftists are hypocritical for condemning European colonization but not mass immigration!” Like, no we’re not! Those are two completely different things! For one, these immigrants aren’t equipped with military technology that vastly more advanced than what we have! Also, immigrants have to be let in by the government whereas colonists pretty much just showed up and started building homes over other peoples’ lands. You can’t just make comparisons like this!
DESTINY: Like, what does “white displacement,” mean?
JONTRON: You know at this rate; the whites will be a minority by 2042.
DESTINY: But why does it matter if a person of certain skin color is a minority?
JONTRON: Because people like you, and people of your ilk, would freak out if the situation had been flipped. Had the situation been whites colonizing part of—like when the Chinese colonized Tibet—
DESTINY: But they’re not colonizing anything, these are people legally immigrating—
JONTRON: Okay, so why when the Chinese colonized Tibet, why was that a “save Tibet situation?”
EVAN: The data that Jon mentioned earlier about whites losing their majority status in 2042 is mostly true, it’s explicitly non-Hispanic whites that will lose that status. It was reported by the New York Times back in 2008 (source: “Minorities set to become majority by 2042” by Sam Roberts). I had to look up the part about China and Tibet since Destiny didn’t know about it, and what I found was that in 1950, China incorporated Tibet into the mainland, and the Chinese Communist Government forced them to abandon their religion. During the Cultural Revolution, Tibetan farmers were forced to change what crops to cultivate, resulting in mass starvation. Resistance of government rule of any kind is not tolerated. The situation in Tibet is one of forced cultural assimilation at coercion of a majority government.
EVAN: This is not comparable to mass immigration in any way. It is comparable to European colonization, but not to large amounts of non-white immigrants moved to white majority countries. Also, I’ve yet to meet or see anyone defend the actions of the Chinese government aside from the Chinese government themselves, and a few delusional Mao apologists online.
JONTRON: Let me ask you something, do you consider the colonization of Africa by Europeans to be a bad thing?
DESTINY: That’s a…that’s a really complicated issue.”
JONTRON: It’s only complicated because it’s whites. That’s the only reason.
DESTINY: No, it’s not, it’s really complicated!
EVAN: Yeah, it’s extremely complicated. I’m not going to go into that, it would take a whole series of videos to examine the history and consequences of European colonization of Africa, so I’ll just say that it did more harm than good.
DESTINY: We’re not talking about colonizing and imperializing people; we’re just talking about immigration to the United States.
JONTRON: Well, what do you call a large number of people form one specific place, coming in and setting up their own ethnic enclaves, and then waving their own flag inside our nation, what would you call that?
DESTINY: What do you mean by “setting up your own ethnic enclaves and waving your own flag,” I’m pretty sure we have Mexicans who come to the United States that wave American flags and are proud to be American.
JONTRON: Yes, of course. But there are also…large swathes of them who don’t feel that way, who want to break parts of America back off into Mexico, so what would you say to those?
(Overlay of “CITATION NEEDED”)
EVAN: Okay, well…there’s a new theory. I can’t say I’ve heard that one before. They want to break parts of America back off into Mexico, you say? I’ve heard plenty of extreme claims about some deeper nefarious agenda of Mexican immigrants, but this the first time I’ve heard of this in particular. And he’s basing this off of the existence of immigrant communities were people wave the flag of their native countries? Isn’t that something every immigrant group in America has always done? Like, you go to Breezy Point, there’s Irish flags everywhere, so are they trying to turn that piece of America into Ireland? Is there a conspiracy to turn Bensonhurst into Italy? Are they trying to turn the Lower East Side into Puerto Rico? Is Jackson Heights being turned into the Philippines? If your evidence of Mexicans turning parts of America into Mexico is, “they set up ethnic enclaves and fly their own flags,” then that means every single immigrant group that has ever tried to move here has been turning parts of America into their home country!
JONTRON: The country was something like 92% white in 1950, it changed, now it’s about 60% non-Hispanic white, I believe, these are epic demographic changes, unlike...I don’t know if it’s ever been seen in history. But these people, who come here, I assume they see themselves as Mexicans, I don’t know if they come here and the soil magically turns them into Thomas Jefferson’s direct descendent. So why is it that white Americans resisting their own displacement is racist?
EVAN: Can we…can we rewind a bit?
JONTRON: I don’t know if they come here and the soil magically turns them into Thomas Jefferson’s direct descendent.
EVAN: I…I don’t even know how to…WHAT!? What does Thomas Jefferson have to with…I don’t…I
JONTRON: There is an absolute disproportionate amount of crime committed to whites, by nonwhites. There’s no arguing that, that’s just FBI statistics.
EVAN: I’ve looked this up, and I’ve looked at the hate crime data for 2015 made by the FBI. The findings are that; race was reported for 5,493 known hate crime offenders. It says that, 48.4% were White, 24.3% were Black, 9.1% were “multiracial”, 1% were Asian, and 16.2% were unknown. For victims, 52.2% were motivated by Anti-Black bias, 18.7% by anti-white bias, 9.3% by anti-Hispanic bias, 3.2% by anti-Asian bias, and 1.1% by anti-Arab bias. So, the stats don’t quite back you up here, Jon.
JONTRON: In relative terms, in relative to wealthy whites, yes, you’re correct in that poor whites commit more crime.
DESTINY: Do you think that poor blacks commit more crime relative to wealthier black people?
JONTRON: They do. Wealthy blacks also commit more crime than poor whites. That’s a fact.
DESTINY: Wait, what!?
JONTRON: Yeah, look it up!
JONTRON: Yeah, look it up!
EVAN: Okay, this was by far Jon’s most questionable claim. I looked it up to see if it checks out, and it didn’t, but I did find some interesting facts that I wasn’t expecting to find. According the BJS’s Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization Survey from 2008-12, the poorest persons had the highest rates of violence. The rate for poor Hispanics was 25.3 per 1000, the rate for poor whites was 46.4 per 1,000, and the rate for poor blacks was, get this, 43.3 per 1,000. The rate was lower; I was not expecting that at all. It goes on to state that the rate for poor urban blacks was 51.3 per 1,000 and the rate for poor urban whites was 56.4 per 1,000. This was…quite something for me to learn, and I think more people should be aware of this, because holy shit, does it punch so many holes in the arguments of the people who write for Breitbart!
DESTINY: I’ve read articles that say that poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids, but--
JONTRON: That’s just a conjecture! That implies that court system is somehow racist.
DESTINY: The court system disproportionately, even when controlling for socioeconomic factors, sentences black people typically harsher sentences than white people, even when you control for the crimes.
JONTRON: I don’t agree with—I mean this is just ridiculous, you’re telling me that they’re going to sentence—I don’t subscribe to that.
EVAN: I brought this topic up earlier in the video and linked to a study that showed that blacks got 20% longer prison sentences than whites for committing the same crime, I’ll show it again here. There’s a definite bias in the court system against blacks.
(Overlay: The Topic shifted to immigration from Mexico for the next segment)
DESTINY: If they were happy with Mexico, why would they come to the United States?
JONTRON: Because better handouts…a lot of them are on welfare, you understand?
DESTINY: If you were to drive though a neighborhood where there are construction crew working, if you were to talk to anybody in manual labor, you would never hear the argument passed around that Mexicans are lazy and on welfare, they do some of the toughest jobs available in this country.
JONTRON: Ugh, dude, you’re just virtue signaling.
EVAN: The term, “virtue signaling,” is a term applied to people who are only advocating a better world and acting like they want to improve the world in order to make themselves look good. It’s basically bringing their motivations into question. While there are people in the world who join activist movement for self-serving reasons, the virtue signaling allegations are overused in the extreme, especially online. And besides, attacking the motivation of the person in a debate is form of ad hominem.
DESTINY: But why is so bad that whites become a minority?
JONTRON: It’s a principle! What is it so bad that they remain a majority?
DESTINY: It’s because you’re talking about restricting immigration from all of these places—
JONTRON: Why do we need to take all these immigrants in?
DESTINY: Because it takes talent from all these other areas to benefit the entire country.
JONTRON: It benefits the global elites, that’s the only people it benefits.
EVAN: Oh…oh dear, he seems to be taking jargon from InfoWars, now? Seriously, Jon, the “global elites?” That’s so vague it could mean anything. The global elites are common bogeymen in conspiracy theories about the New World Order, and people like Alex Jones thinks there a conspiracy to bring about a One World Government by depriving nations of their sovereignty. Mass immigration has something to do with it, somehow. I see a lot of people claim that mass immigration is part of the “endgame” for “Globalists,” but they never can provide any proof or any reasons as to why or how it undermines national sovereignty. Also, how would destroying first-world countries help the global elites, I think it’s in their best interests that the first-world is as prosperous as possible. To me, “global elites” and “globalists” just seem like a convenient boogeyman for people that don’t understand complicated world issues and want to blame an easy enemy.
JONTRON: Listen, listen, even though the mantra has—I mean, you’re just arguing based off the old paradigm. Which is that if you—
DESTINY: I’m arguing based on historical data!
JONTRON: I don’t think you’re arguing off of data, because if you were, you wouldn’t be saying the things you’re saying.
EVAN: And, again, refer some of my previously sited data sources, Destiny’s argument points check out.
JONTRON: I do believe that we are different form Mexico, but very similar to Canada.
DESTINY: Because we’re whiter?
JONTRON: Because our country is derived from the same culture, and had similar founding stock at least.
EVAN: I would say that Canada has more French influences in its founding stock whereas America had more British influence because of the way colonial border lines were drawn at the time. Both were major European powers, so they’re quite similar. But Mexico was started as a Spanish colony, which was also a European power. So, I wouldn’t say we’re drastically different from Mexico culturally.
JONTRON: White countries are experiencing…it is basically in white countries—historically white countries, it’s seen as a moral imperative that whites don’t resist their own displacement. If they resist it, they’re racist, you can see this in every white country on planet Earth.
DESTINY: But this just goes back to my question I’ve asked over and over which you still haven’t answered, why is it so bad that white people become a minority?
JONTRON: I have answered it several times, no people want to become a minority in their own country…why should they do, to be nice, what is your argument.
DESTINY: I just guess…when I look at what it means to be an American, being white doesn’t seem to be part of that definition. So, I don’t understand this massive division on racial lines when you say whites are becoming a minority. I thought we were all Americans, I don’t understand where this white/black/brown thing comes from.
JONTRON: I’m inclined to agree with you, I do believe we should just see each other as Americans. But also, we’re dealing with something that’s not that. We’re dealing with a political paradigm in that the status quo thinks that the only logical conclusion of the country to atone for the sins of the white past is to keep letting in people from the third world until white people are a minority. That’s what happened, you can deny it all you want, but that is what’s happening.
EVAN: The current immigration policy developed during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, so I…guess that’s where Jon’s claim about “atoning for the sins of the white past,” is coming from? I don’t really get what his point is. The old immigration system put in place in the 1920s was indisputably racist and restricted immigration from Asia and Africa, and also gave preference to Northern and Western Europeans over Southern and Eastern Europeans. It had a national origins quota for God’s sakes! There’s no way a system like that was going to survive the cultural changes brought about by the Civil Rights Movement!
DESTINY: Maybe every single economist agrees that immigration improves an economy for everybody—
JONTORN: I don’t know if every economist agrees—
DESTINY: Pretty much every single economist, even the leading ones who are on the “hold off on the immigration,” side more or less agree with that—
JONTRON: And, uh, every single pollster said that Hillary Clinton was going to win.
DESTINY: Do you think that pollsters are at the same level as academic analysts when it comes economic analysis, do you think that’s a fair comparison?
JONTRON: We’re living in a political paradigm that values appearances over—of course these people are going to say that! Because they don’t want the shitstorm!
EVAN: What…are you…you realize that’s now how studies are done, right?
DESTINY: Wait, of course they’re going to say what, that California’s economy is huge?
JONTRON: No, they’re going to say things like, “immigration is wonderful, diversity is our strength.” If you don’t say these buzz words—
DESTINY: How do you think you grow an economy if your population begins to die off, where do you get workers from?
JONTRON: Why does our economy have to keep growing forever?
DESTINY: Because that’s what our entire economy is based off of, it’s based off of growth, would you be happy if the GDP growth was zero or started shrinking?
JONTRON: People don’t need gadgets all the time, bigger, less expensive gadgets—
EVAN: Okay, let me just stop you right there, Jon, because I’m utterly floored by your sheer lack of economic knowledge. If an economy shrank for an extended period of time, the consequences would be more than just, “less gadgets are being made.” People would lose their jobs, their wages would decrease, their hours would get cut, increased unemployment would put higher strain on the government to provide aid for people who can’t find jobs. Like, this is basic stuff! You’ve been fortunate enough to make a lot of money by being super popular on YouTube, so a recession wouldn’t affect you that much, but it would affect a fuck ton of lot people!
DESTINY: We could stay on the culture side, in which case, why do you think white people are so important to the American identity, why can’t brown and black and all these other people be included as well, why does it hurt if the demographics shift around a little bit?
JONTRON: Because, clearly they---ugh, are you doubting the existence of tribalism? Do you believe in it or not?
DESTINY: I think the fact that you are here talking to me, defending white people, as a half-Hungarian and half-Iranian, seems to speak against the notion of tribalism as this embedded thing that can never be changed.
EVAN: I would also add that Jon is committing an appeal to nature fallacy here. He brought up tribalism earlier and said it was human nature to be tribalistic. Just because it’s in our nature doesn’t mean it’s a good thing, nor does it mean that we shouldn’t actively by trying to avoid it. The human race has come a long way from the days in which we all lived in caves and competed with other tribes for food and resources by going to war. The majority of the planet seems to want world peace these days, and while it’s not easy to obtain, it’s a noble goal, and it shouldn’t be abandoned because “tribalism.” I don’t think we should be afraid of non-white cultures because “tribalism,” either. Ultimately, we are all the same species and we share the same planet. We all need to think more about the well-being of the planet as a whole instead of thinking only about what goes on within our own borders.
DESTINY: Do you think that it’s okay to stifle its growth a bit in order to maintain a homogenous cultural identity?
JONTRON: Yeah, I think it’s fine, Japan does it.
EVAN: Yeah, you’re right, Jon, Japan does do that? And how has that been working out for them?
(Overlay of economic growth stats, population stats, and employment stats for Japan, all of which show a level of stagnation for the last 25 years—an entire generation—as well as the country’s public debt problem as a result of its aging population and not enough younger workers and taxpayer dollars to fund the government’s expenses)
DESTINY: Okay, but now you’re talking about assimilation, so what if whites became a minatory but most brown people assimilated into the culture, would that be okay then?
JONTRON: Yeah, but if they assimilated, they would enter the gene pool eventually, and just, you know…
DESTINY: BECOME WHITE!?
EVAN: Yeah, Jon mentioned the gene pool again. I don’t think he knows how genetics work.
DESTINY: This is what I’m trying to ask? Let’s say, you got 100 million brown people who want to come to the United States, and they would all assimilate into the culture immediately, whites would become the minority, would this be a good thing or a bad thing?
JONTRON: If they assimilated immediately?
JONTRON: OF course, that would be fine.
EVAN: Here’s where I have to disagree with Destiny. I don’t think it’s good idea to take in 100 million people of any ethnicity all at once, because that number is nearly a third of the entire population of the United States. Such rapid jump in population would be very disruptive, cause a lot of crowding problems in the cities, and it would be a strain on the government to naturalize all of them and give them citizenship papers and passports.
JONTRON: I’m just talking about the ideal way to do immigration, I understand we have people here who are white and people who are black, and I want them all to feel respected and loved, of course. It’s ridiculous to think that I don’t want that. I’m just talking about the demographic shift…whites are expected to just lay down and take it.
EVAN: Wait, so you want people of all races to be respected and loved, but you also think that if there are too many people of other races, it means whites are being displaced? (pause) These two sentiments do not mesh with each other.
DESTINY: So, the problem is that young black men in the United States are disproportionately born into single-mother households, which is a leading indicator of crime. They’re also disproportionately born into ghettos in low-income areas, they have access to worse education, they are born into horrible socioeconomic conditions, all of these things are massive contributors into being a criminal as you grow up.
JONTRON: But you are making the argument that it’s like white people who put them there.
DESTINY: Because they kind of sort of did over the past 200 years. They kind of bought them over as slaves, they kind of bred them a certain way, they kind of, you know, redlined them and gentrified them out of certain neighborhoods and certain communities, they kind of legally discriminated against them and put them in certain areas for a long time. They kid of disproportionately policed them and sentenced them to higher crimes in the justice system. White people have contributed a lot to this.
JONTRON: So, I suppose that’s why the crime rates are pretty consistent across Africa, too?
EVAN: Wha….I…what!? What does that have to do with…what?
JONTRON: There is one thing I came here to talk to you about. Why is it bad for white people to resist their own demographic displacement? That is the only thing I’m here to discuss.
DESTINY: And your only answer was tribalism.
JONTRON: No, I explained other things as well. When people, let’s say the French, receive an influx of Islamic migrants who say, “you don’t give us good enough handouts, you know, like…you’re being racist to us,” and then they’re rioting, what are the French supposed to think?
DESTINY: I don’t know, I’m not French, I’m American, why have we gone across the seas again?
JONTRON: It’s all intertwined, it’s the same situation, but they speak a different language, I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand.
DESTINY: Because it’s not the same situation, those countries are in dramatically different situations, you can’t compare them!
JONTRON: That’s like saying a man ate a sandwich in France and a man ate a sandwich in America, but these are not the same situations.
EVAN: Wha….I can’t with this, I just can’t. Let’s just skip ahead to the end when they get back to the topic on discrimination.
JONTRON: Look, I know that there was some discrimination there, and by the way, yeah, it’s wrong, discrimination is wrong, we have gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries.
DESTINY: Wait, no we haven’t, what do you mean?
JONTRON: If you don’t think we’ve gotten rid of discrimination, you’re living in a fantasy land.
(Video Stops for a Second)
EVAN: I’m, just going to take a moment to breathe in for a bit. (takes moment to breathe in) Okay, that’s better. Just wow, there is so much ignorance to rip apart in that statement. I’ve given examples of discrimination earlier in the video, you can go check them out, I’ll leave the links in the video description. To adequately document the discrimination that still exists to this day is too much for a single YouTube video, it really is. Destiny goes on to bring up the voter ID laws in North Carolina as evidence, which JonTron just blows off in a…pretty pompous way. It’s an attitude you see online quite a lot, particularly in the “Red Pill” community, where believe that they’ve woken up to the truth and now see people who disagree with them as either willful idiots or brainwashed sheep. A lot of what JonTron said in this stream are things you’ll find on the Red Pill subreddit, there’s a notable overlap between them and white nationalist groups.
EVAN: This is close to the end of their debate, and Jon doesn’t say anything really objectionable for the remainder of it, so I think now is good time to gather my thoughts together and conclude this response video.
EVAN: It took me about four days to write this script, and as I was finishing, news came out that JonTron had been dropped from his speaking role in a Yooka-Laylee game over his controversial statements. So, the fallout isn’t over yet. By the time I’ve actually made this video, edited it, and uploaded it to YouTube, he’ll have long since regained the 10,000 or subs he lost. A lot of people, including Destiny himself, disagree with calls to “punish” Jon for his viewpoints (Destiny criticized Playtonic Games, the makers of Yooka-Laylee, for their decision on Twitter). I myself don’t think JonTron deserves to lose his career over these statements, and I don’t like how hyperbolic some media headlines have been about his comments. (It’s the kind of media sensationalism that never leads anywhere good).
EVAN: But, considering how his own subreddit turned on him for a while, and he actually lost a decent number of subs, it seems his own fans were taken aback by some of his views. Some of his statements are deserving of scrutiny and criticism, particularly his more ignorant ones. I made this video in response to JonTron’s response video to the controversy, because he said he wanted some civil discourse and debate, but he didn’t really address any of the things he said, or the questionable claims he made. I also don’t think he should just brush this under the rug and get back to going game reviews and pretend the whole thing didn’t happen. You can’t really make claims like, “rich blacks commit more crimes than poor whites,” “whites are expected to accept their demographic displacement,” and “large swatches of Mexicans want to break parts of America back off into Mexico,” and not get criticism for it.
EVAN: As I said previously, I think the media overreacted a little and I think it’s going too far to call JonTron a white nationalist, even if he using a lot of white nationalist talking points. He beliefs are fueled mostly by ignorance rather than malice. No one really went in depth about the things Jon said, so I decided to do so myself.
EVAN: Is JonTron a racist? Eh...probably not, at least not openly. Is he ignorant? Oh, yeah! Extremely misinformed. I would advise him to do some research and read a few studies before he gets into his next debate about this kind of topic.
EVAN: Do I think we should stop watching him because of his beliefs? No. There’s quite a few people in Hollywood who are fuck ton of a lot more racist than JonTron (Mel Gibson anyone?), but I still watch their movies because their movies are good. Likewise, I think JonTron makes good content on his channel. It’s up to you, it’s up to his fans to decide if they want to continue to support him or not. I understand either way.
EVAN: I want to see more rational discussions about political debates and less screaming in the comments section and on YouTube. I want to see more intelligent and insightful videos made in response to people who make questionable statements, and not just the usual “SJW Feminazi Gets REKT”/”X Person Says Shocking Racist Things” variety of bottom-of-the-barrel YouTube voyeurism. There’s far too many of the latter and not nearly enough of the former.
EVAN: I mean, don’t get me wrong, making fun of crazy extremists and taking the piss out of them can be very entertaining, but I think people tend too often to do it to people who don’t deserve it. And JonTron isn’t one of those hopelessly crazy types. Hopefully he will able to listen in a rational debate with an ideological opponent…and even more hopefully, he’ll learn a few things and realize how stupid it is to worry about “white displacement.”
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